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  1. Flip Poker Significado
  2. Flip Poker Definicion
  3. Flip Poker Quebec
  4. How To Flip Poker Chips Like Le Chiffre
There was a table game exhibited at the 2019 Cutting Edge called Texas Flip Poker- a Texas Hold'em variant. For some reason, it caught my interest and I've looked at it and am providing a few thoughts about it. (I like to do this kind of stuff- pretty crazy.)

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The rules are displayed here Texas Flip Rules , and a video that demonstrates the game play is here: Texas Flip Demo video
Description
Basically this is Texas hold'em one-on-one against the dealer with these exceptions:
1. The dealer always has the Queen of Hearts as one of his hole cards, which is fixed and displayed face up on every deal. The dealer's second hole card is face down until all wagers have been made.
2. Each player must play two hands with equal wagers as the Ante. A player may switch the last two cards that are dealt between each of his hands to improve either one or both of the hands, but may also decide not to perform such a switch.
3. After a player has seen the 4 cards in his two hands, and at his option has switched the last two cards between his hands, he must then make two separate decisions to Call or Bet on each of his two hands. The BET is limited to be the identical size of the ante bet.
4. All 5 common cards are then turned over and the dealer reveals his second hole card and the payouts are made. Ties are a push and both the Ante and Play bets are lost or paid 1:1 based on whether player loses or wins.
Thus the player has two different decisions: (1) whether to switch the 2nd hole cards between his two hands and (2) whether to BET (one unit) or CALL (i.e., No Play Bet, only an Ante Wager)
Call vs BET Strategy
BET on a hand when you have a pair, or Q9 or higher (suited or unsuited), otherwise CALL.
Exception: CALL with a 22 pair when neither of the deuces is the two of hearts.
The decision to call with a Q8s is extremely close, I get that a Q8s (which must be in a suit other than hearts) has an EV = -0.0001 (approximately).
For comparison, I also calculate that Q8o is EV= -0.061 approx, and that Q9o is EV = +0.0256 approx.
Switch Strategy
I have not worked through all the possible cases for when to switch cards. The general idea is to switch between your two hands when it will create a paired hand, a suited hand, or a hand with connected cards such that you have a chance to use both cards to make a straight.
EX: Your two hands are Kh (7d) and 7c (3d) and the switchable cards are in the parentheses. You obviously want to switch in this case to make Kh-3d and 7d-7c. After this switch, you should decide to BET (raise) on both these hands.
Creating a paired hand with a switch seems to be the highest priority in this decision.. There is only a modest advantage in creating a suited hand or a connected hand (even with zero gaps such as 7-6) because there are no payout bonuses for making a flush or straight (or any other high ranking hand) in Texas Flip and because drawing to two cards to make a straight or flush always involves a relatively small increment of probability (<2%).
When the four cards in your two hands are 4 different ranks in the range 2-J, then you have a very bad hand. Switch as you can to maximize your possibilities of flushes and straights, hold your nose and hope for the best.
Here are some less-obvious strategic objectives for your switch decision:
a) If one of your hands has a Q, you want to place a lot of weight on moving as high a card as possible together with the Q. Because you are facing a dealer with a Q-x (except when dealer has a QQ), and one of your hands must be a Q-x, there is a lot of leverage in having a higher 'kicker' than the dealer. Whomever (dealer or player) has the higher 2nd card will be dominating their opponent. So, for example:

Flip Poker Significado

Ex: You have Qs (4h) and Td (7c) you should switch your cards between hands to play Qs-7c and Td-4h (and CALL both hands). These are both losing hands, but the Q7 is substantially better than the Q4, whereas there will be a much smaller difference in EV between T7 and T4.
b) With all other considerations being equal, e.g., when there are no possible connected or suited card combinations, and you have one K or A, try to couple your K/A with the highest card possible.
Ex: Your two hands are 2s (Kh) and 4s (9h). In this case, there are no possible ways to make a suited 2 card hand or a connected 2 card hand. It is best to switch you cards to be arranged as 2s9h and 4sKh. While you may think there is little difference between a 2s and a 4s, the 4s will be a considerable help whenever the dealer's second hole card is a 3 or 2 - specifically in those scenarios in which the dealer pairs his 2nd hole card and you pair your 4. And since there will be two units wagered on whichever of your hands has the King, it is surprisingly optimal to arrange the cards so that your two unit wager is on a K4 rather than on a K2.
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There are lots of questions that I can't answer. For example: Should you break up a hand with two consecutive suited cards to create a hand with a low pair? I dunno.
Or: If your two hands have identical ranks, such as Ks(2h) and Kd(2c) should you CALL or BET? After all, both these hands now each have only 4 outs to make a pair, rather than the usual 6 outs. I am almost certain you only call these hands, but I haven't calculated it out yet. And what if you both hands had only 5 outs to a pair, etc?
So many better men, a few of them friends, were dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things lived on, and so did I.
ksdjdj

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Or: If your two hands have identical ranks, such as Ks(2h) and Kd(2c) should you CALL or BET? After all, both these hands now each have only 4 outs to make a pair, rather than the usual 6 outs. I am almost certain you only call these hands, but I haven't calculated it out yet. And what if you both hands had only 5 outs to a pair, etc?


The expected value of the Ks(2h) hand in the above scenario is about -4.93% (I am guessing the Kd(2c) will be similar, but I am not sure because I haven't checked)
For the above hands If you take out the (2h) and (2c) and change them to (7h) and (7c), then the EV for the Ks(7h) hand is about -0.73%
Note: I could have made mistake(s) because I had to type out the 'Win and Lose' figures manually into a spreadsheet from the link below
https://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-hold-em/calculator/
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Thanks for this post from:

The expected value of the Ks(2h) hand in the above scenario is about -4.93% (I am guessing the Kd(2c) will be similar, but I am not sure because I haven't checked)
For the above hands If you take out the (2h) and (2c) and change them to (7h) and (7c), then the EV for the Ks(7h) hand is about -0.73%
Note: I could have made mistake(s) because I had to type out the 'Win and Lose' figures manually into a spreadsheet from the link below
https://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-hold-em/calculator/
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Thank you, ksdjdj! I had not realized that the WOO Hold'em calculator has dead card capability (in the folded hands!) Thanks for pointing that out. I have been using the Hold'em calculator on the CardPlayer site,
https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem
which is the only other online hold'em calculator I am aware of that has dead card capability.
By the way, for Ks2c without considering the players second set of hole cards, I get EV = +0.0426 approx. So eliminating two outs - one each on the K and 2, is worth about 5% for this hand. Probably worth more for a hand such as KsTc.
In the next couple of posts, I am indeed going to discuss the effect of 'dead cards' in the player's second set of hole cards on the CALL/BET decision.
So many better men, a few of them friends, were dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things lived on, and so did I.
ksdjdj
For the hand Ks(9h) I get an EV of +3.12% when the 'dead cards' are Kd(9c).
Also, when I first started looking at this game I wanted to see how 'strong' having a Qh in the dealer's hand was when playing 'one on one', the EV is around -12.16%.
Of course, this game's EV should be better than that, because you can 'call', 'bet' and 'switch', but I won't be able to work it out, because it takes me about an hour just to do just one hand (and that is without taking 'switching' into account).
gordonm888
Thanks for this post from:
Texas Flip Poker
Effect of the Other Two Hole Cards on CALL/BET Decision for Pairs
First let me make a correction to the simple basic strategy I had previously posted for CALL BET decision for Pairs:
Considered in isolation, you should:
33 pair to AA pair: BET
22 pair: CALL
I previously had advised that the player should BET with a 2 pair containing the 2 of hearts. That was incorrect.
2h2c vs QhX: EV = -0.0096 (approx)
2d2c vs QhX: EV = -0.0001 (approx)
For context, here is a pair of threes: 3d3c vs QhX: EV = +0.0373 (approx).
So the player's EV increases by about 0.037 as you climb the ladder from 22 pair to 33 pair
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Now let's consider the effect of the second set of hole cards on the player's CALL/BET decision for pairs. Since we are making the BET wager on 33-AA, lets look at cards that reduce the EV of those pairs.
The major effect is when your second set of holes cards has one or both remaining cards that are the same rank as your pair. Obviously, if you have, say, 33 pair then, you are hoping the common cards will contain another 3 - so having a 3 in your other set of hole cards will reduce the EV of playing that pair.
If you have 55 pair in one of your hands and have another 5 pair in the other hand than you have very limited prospects for improving either 55 pair hand. EV = -0.0881 (approx) for each of those 55 pair hands
With two sets of 77 pair in your two hands, your EV for each hand is still negative: -0.0093 (approx).
Here is the strategy I have worked out for pairs:
BET/CALL Strategy with a PAIR
88 to AA: Always BET

Flip Poker Definicion

55 to 77: BET except CALL when your other set of hole cards is a pair of the identical rank.
44: BET except CALL when there is at least one 4 and no Qs in your other set of hole cards,
33: BET except CALL when

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a) there is at least one 3 and no Qs in your other set of hole cards
b) the other set of hole cards is a pair of twos, 22
Poker22: CALL except BET when there is at least one Q in your other set of hole cards
The may be some other exceptions that require you to BET 22 pair, such as when you have certain high cards in your set of hole cards. For example, one specific case I want to test is when you have 22 pair and your other hole cards are JhTh, because these cards reduce the ability of the dealer to make flushes and straights with the Qh.
So many better men, a few of them friends, were dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things lived on, and so did I.

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Introduction

Flop Poker is a poker variant I have seen in many of the casinos in Biloxi. I've had reports of the game in other parts of the country too, like Atlantic City and Indiana. The game is easy to learn, community cards cause players to often win or lose in unison, and there is a possibility of a large win. A unique feature is the 'pot' bet, which carries a zero house edge.

Rules

  1. Game uses a single deck of cards and all hands are scored according to traditional poker rules.
  2. Play starts with the player making an Ante wager and a Pot wager. The ante wager may be any amount subject to table limits. The Pot wager is always the table minimum, which in my experience is usually $5.
  3. Each player gets three cards dealt face down. The player may look at his own cards but sharing of information is not allowed.
  4. Player has two options, raise or fold. If the player folds he forfeits his Ante but but retains his cards for purposes of the Pot bet. If player raises it is in the form of a Flop bet equal to his Ante bet.
  5. The dealer then deals a three card flop face up. These are community cards and may be used by all players.
  6. The dealer will determine the best poker hand using the player's three cards and any two of the flop cards. If the player has at least a pair of jacks the Ante wager will pay even money and the Flop bet according to the pay table below.
  7. Finally, the player with the highest poker hand, again using his own three cards and any two flop cards, shall win all Pot bets. If two or more players have the exact same valued hand then the Pot bets will be chopped by the players with the high hand.

Liberal Pay Table

HandPays
Royal flush1000 to 1
Straight flush500 to 1
Four of a kind100 to 1
Full house30 to 1
Flush20 to 1
Straight11 to 1
Three of a kind4 to 1
Two pair2 to 1
Jacks or better1 to 1
All otherLoss

There is also a stingy pay table, that pays 10 to 1 on a straight, instead of 11.

Strategy

The player should raise with any of the following hands.

  1. At least one card jack or higher.
  2. A pair
  3. 3 to a flush
  4. 3 to any straight

The player will have one of these hands 86.4% of the time.

House Edge

The following table shows all the possible events in Flop Poker, the probability, win/loss, and the contribution to the total return, based on the liberal pay table. The lower right cell shows a player return of -0.054237. This means the house edge, which is defined as the ratio of expected player loss to initial wager, is 5.42%. The element of risk, which is defined as the ratio of expected loss to the total amount wagered, is 2.91%.

Return Table in Flop Poker

EventCombinationsProbabilityPaysReturn
Royal flush18800.00000510010.004622
Straight flush167760.0000415010.020642
Four of a kind2346240.0005761010.058199
Full house16760640.004116310.127607
Flush21263440.005222210.109667
Straight43215840.010614120.127364
Three of a kind141975760.03486950.174344
Two pair376158960.09238430.277151
Jacks or better625785040.15369120.307382
Tens or less2291291520.562735-2-1.125471
Fold552720000.135747-1-0.135747
Total4071704001-0.054237

The house edge on the pot bet is obviously 0%.

How To Flip Poker Chips Like Le Chiffre

The house edge under the stingy pay table is 6.49%.


Written by:Michael Shackleford
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